It is important to note, this does not apply to firearms with serial numbers beginning with ea. To begin with, there arent a whole lot of holster options for the witness and less for the polymer frame version. Whats cool about the witness guns, is that eaa carries all the slides and barrels for all the different lengths and calibers so once you have the frame, you can swap out everything you want. We have searched the world to bring you quality firearms at affordable prices. Eaa witness the firearms forum the buying, selling or. All names, brands andor likenesses of the firearms listed in our accessoriesholsters section are property of their respective owners. From what ive read online the 10mm witness round slides have significant documented cases of cracking, and it seems like tanfoglio remedied this by using the. Please share with us some statistics on frame cracking problems between polymer and steel frames. I have the witness 10mm compact and it is one of my favorite.
The eaa witness 10mm with its four inch tube blasted through the same metal so easily that it looked like we used a dewalt power drill. Eaa 10mm elite match vs glock 20 current production 10mm. My 10mm witness compact in wonderfinish slide cracked with less than 100 rds. The eaa witness that came into albany guns of albany, oregon is lightly used. Looks almost like the 1911 just a little more compact. Hi i been a fan of 10mm for couple of years now and now its time to own one i am going for the eaa 10mm elite match two tone why looks and weight but i am confuse on the size of the gun is it 4. Tabletop comparison of the glock 29 and eaa witness 10mm. I was in love from after shooting my first 5 rounds through. For examples of the two compare the witness p slide to the witness pcarry slide on the eaa websight.
Because 1 everytime i go into bass pro theres plenty of ammo in stock and 2 i dont have one which is reason enough to buy it. Most folks feel eaa worked out most of the problems with the 10mm witness models but those guns from a decade ago were pretty bad. It was an eaa witness 10mm tanfoglio polymer frame. Jan 07, 2015 these wolves travel in packsok, we all know that so i wanted a high capacity gun.
Feb 25, 2019 great deal but 10mm in a polymer frame with short slide, ouch. I contacted eaa, explained the situation, and was told to send it in. It is my assumption that any slide will batter and crack if the speed of the slide is fast and the spring doesnt allow enough tension to slow it down. Enter the eaa witness pavona, built in italy by tangfolio. If anything will crack one of these things it is fullpower 10mm. I have owned 3 eaa witness 10mm full size, two in wonderfinish, and one blued. Jun 29, 2012 witness problems page 1 10mm semiauto handguns 10mm. Compare prices for european american armory tanfoglio witness compact 10mm 741566107023 from all vendors from. Until i see better reliability im sticking with my eaa witness elite match. Fullpower 10mm will likely peen the frame slide pretty badly, but i dont shoot fullpower 10mm very often at all. Their double stack magazines were totally unreliable and cs was notoriously hideous. Essentially, the eaa witness in 10mm is a simplified bren ten, as it is identical in essentials to the original 9mm cz pistol. In buying any 10 mm used check the frame rails very close they can crack.
You can take your 9mm large frame steel compact and put a 10mm long slide on it if you like. First impressions of the eaa witness steel compact in 10 mm. I may be a 1911 freak, but a little variety imho can be a good thing. These wolves travel in packsok, we all know that so i wanted a high capacity gun. The witness also has a pretty significant beavertail, allowing users to hold the gun higher without fear of getting bit by the slide.
The italian made eaa witness has had many problems with slide and frame cracking in the 10mm caliber. That pretty much leaves me with an eaa witness or the glock. Witness pistol are made in italy by tanfoglio spelling. Testing cracked tanfoglio slide repaired with mig welder. Looking for a 10mm handgun page 2 gun and game the. I wont say thousands due to cost but maybe one thousand rounds later it is still good with no cracks.
Any good mods i should consider for my 10mm tanfoglio hunter. My experience with the 10mm eaa witness polymer frame page. I noticed the frame on my gun had a crack in it, along the slide rail by the safety hole. It was the fbis smith and wessons that were cracking not counting. Oct 09, 2007 known issues with the eaa witness this article is a compendium of information gathered from the internet. I want an eaa 10mm but i keep reading about cracked slides and how bad eaas customer service is. Funny thing is, i worked at a store at the time, and customers shot my witness 10mm, knew about the slide cracking problems on the wonder finish guns, and still bought the pistosl hoping their slides cracked out so they could get. It seems that people frequently receive the old style slide as a replacement for the new style slide.
Witness problems page 1 10mm semiauto handguns 10mm. Between the two i had seven frame and slide cracks using standard velocity ammo at round counts in the high 2000 to low 3000 range. My sig tac pac slide is relieved the same as the pictures of the eaa witness slides that have cracked but my sig has a lot more spring tension. That slimmed down slide exhibited far more tendency to crack than the oldstyle slide. Cracked slide wonder finish witness my experience with eaa. Dont let a few sensationalized stories on the internet about slide cracks deter you from buying one of the beauties. Please take it as intended as a list of things to check for, nothing more.
Fullpower 10mm will likely peen the frameslide pretty badly, but i dont shoot fullpower 10mm very often at all. The creative team included sharon lacy, who did extensive research on the needs of women shooters, including gathering direct feedback from women gun owners of all ages and experience levels. The rounded ones have been reported to crack, usually in the 10mm with its corresponding high velocities and pressures. The new standard witness has a rounded slide and it will crack with any real 10mm. C the tanfoglio combatstandard was introduced in 1997. Extractors in 9mm seem to last forever, ive never seen a cracked slide or frame, hopefully i dont. The plate that held in the firing pin in the slide lost its grove in the slide and the slide became damaged.
It is made in gardone val trompia near brescia, italy by fratelli tanfoglio s. The barrel could move millimeters top to bottom and side to side in the slide. Will this maybe older eaa witness 10mm be able to handle hot. The glock 20 and history of the 10mm cartridge youtube. I bought a well used 1996 m9del wonder finish steel witness full size over christmas. The older witnesss and the current elite series have a heavier square slide profile. Early in the production of these pre2006 there was an issue with the slide or frame cracking under. The barrel is polygonal rifled and works fine with a low rating spring using the 10mm slide. The importer went out of business and the gun had to be junked for lack of parts. The round slides are not machined from the same metal and are weaker, a lot of people had issues with them cracking with 10mm.
Eleven years ago we started eaa corp with one idea, give the american firearms consumer the best value in firearms. One was the full size, one the compact, both with the wonder finish. So carrying it cocked and locked would definitely be an option. If i do get a 10mm i want to shoot full power loads in it, i already have three. After extensive research and many hours running these instances down, this is what i found. Several 10mm witness slides did crack from the result of a batch of slides that were not properly heat treated for hardness. So the two guns im looking at are the glock 29 and eaa witness p compact. The general concensus over on the witness forums is that you should probably respring them and if they do crack, ask for christy or chrissy i forget which at customer service. Feb 02, 2010 witness pistol are made in italy by tanfoglio spelling.
The tanfoglio combat or standard, also known as ta95 or eaa witness steel, is a modified clone of the czech cz75cz85 pistol. Im curious to see your impression of the eaa witness cz 75 clone in 10 mm. What i liked about it was the bull barrel and the frame mounted thumb safety even though it was a da. Polymer vs steel frame guns weaponseducation youtube. The eaa witness is as close as you can get to an original bren ten as they are both based on the cz basic design planform. The slide is engraved with witness 1911 p on the left side, but the effect is very subtle.
I thought with 10mm which is the large frame, you can buy slidesbarrel for 45 acp as well as all the others smaller cartridges but with the large frame witness magazines. If you own an eaa witness style semiautomatic pistol bearing a serial number between ae00000 to ae70000, please read this notice. Ive already signed the group purchase roster for a. When i got it, it was very hard to find a holster or magazines for it. The problem was corrected by adding metal to the new slides so that they werent rounded, but were more of a squared off shape. This is a discussion on eaa tanfoglio witness pcarry. Will this maybe older eaa witness 10mm be able to handle hot bear loads. Tanfoglio hunter in 10mm has anyone done any mods to theirs. Eaa witness, 10mm caliber magazine, full sizelarge frame. Shooting illustrated eaa witness elite polymer 1911 pistol.
While eaa has not disclosed a root cause, typically they require that you ship the entire gun back to them to have the issue corrected. I like the rock island 1911 but im not sure about 10mm in a 1911. The 10mm is notorious for cracking slide and frames and battering issues in designs not originally intended for the more powerful cartridge. Great deal but 10mm in a polymer frame with short slide, ouch. Jun 16, 2008 today, my eaa witness in 10mm selfdestructed. My experience with the 10mm eaa witness polymer frame. Its definitely large and more difficult to conceal than my 1911, but i got it as a campinghiking gun.
Hello folks, im curious if any of you have any experience with any eaa witness models. Eaa 10mm elite match vs glock 20 current production. My steelframed 10mm witness could barely hold a pattern on an 8x11 piece of paper at 7yds in multiple peoples hands, regardless of ammo. In years past i have hunted with several handguns, ranging from hunting squirrels with a. I had a cz clone from that italian company i bought in the mid 1980s. I bought two new eaa witness pistols about three years ago, both in. So my wife bought me an eaa witness polymer frame in 10mm for christmas two years ago and id like to share my experiences so far. Nov 30, 2014 testing cracked tanfoglio slide repaired with mig welder.
I have a eaa witness elite match in 10mm, its a great gun and will take nuclear loads. With the way my witness shoots i will be looking for the eaa 1911. From what ive read online the 10mm witness round slides have significant documented cases of cracking, and it seems like tanfoglio remedied this by using the squared slides that have the forward cocking serrations on the 10mm models and as far as i can tell these slide never crack. I have convinced many friends to purchase them as well. I really like the eaa witness but if it going to crack on me i might just forget about 10mm. I had a slide crack on a wonder finish gun as well, and got a match slide back and have yet to have a problem. The manufacturer and eaa corp reserve the right to modify andor change any and all products either for improvements, manufacturing andor commercial reasons. Shooting the eaa witness limited pro 10mm with a 9mm 6 barrel.
Will this maybe older eaa witness 10mm be able to handle. As it has a clintonera 10shot magazine, it is large for its current capacity and a few ounces heavier than a government model 1911. Most of the stories i heard about involved the 10mm and the. Ergonomically, they are far superior to any glock or 1911. I would like to hear about the failures of eaa witness pistols. Got both, the 20 gen4 and 40 gen4, prefer the 40 due to its longer slide and more accurate 50y shots. I bought it from a seller on guns america named hank. Conversion kit images may not depict actual product features.
Aug 31, 20 shooting the eaa witness limited pro 10mm with a 9mm 6 barrel. European american armory tanfoglio witness compact for sale 0 user posted deals found filter. Fortunately, i will get the purchase price refunded by the dealer hes helpful like that. The 10mm version of the witness model does have some history of slide cracks, due most people say because the guns seem to have recoil springs that are too light for full power 10mm ammo. European american armory tanfoglio witness compact 10mm.
Eaa witness limited pro 10mm with 9mm 6 barrel youtube. Barrel, slide, recoil spring, recoil spring guide and 1 magazine note. Tanfoglio witness 10mm, square slide vs round slide. The listing of their names is not intended to represent an endorsement by the manufacturer or any of its subsidiaries nor is it meant to represent an endorsement of the firearmbrand by eaa corp. Designed by and for women, this pistol is more than just a pretty face. Nov 01, 2009 hi i been a fan of 10mm for couple of years now and now its time to own one i am going for the eaa 10mm elite match two tone why looks and weight but i am confuse on the size of the gun is it 4. I live in grizzly country and im looking for a reliable bear gun. A returned order resulting from failure to provide the proper information example. But there are polymer and match witness pistols available, too. The round seems to catch on the case as it enters the barrel. I guess i was lucky, in that i spotted the cracks before it actually flew apart in my hands.
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